Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

04/19/2022 03:30 PM Senate STATE AFFAIRS

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03:34:56 PM Start
03:35:21 PM Presentation: Governor's Infrastructure Plan from a Policy Perspective Sb 241
04:49:49 PM SB57
05:02:30 PM SB167
05:08:23 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation by Miles Baker: Governor's TELECONFERENCED
Infrastructure Plan
+= SB 188 CRIM PROCEDURE; CHANGE OF NAME TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 167 ELECTIONS; FRAUD; BALLOTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 57 ALASKA SUNSET COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                SB  57-ALASKA SUNSET COMMISSION                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 57                                                               
"An Act establishing a violation  for hindering the Alaska Sunset                                                               
Commission;  relating   to  the  Legislative  Budget   and  Audit                                                               
Committee; relating  to the duties  of the  legislature; relating                                                               
to  the legislative  audit division  and the  legislative finance                                                               
division;  establishing the  Alaska Sunset  Commission to  review                                                               
and  make recommendations  on discontinuation  of  or changes  to                                                               
state  entities; and  relating to  the powers  and duties  of the                                                               
Alaska Sunset Commission."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SHELLEY   HUGHES,  Alaska  State   Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor  of SB 57  stated that  the bill needed  work but                                                               
she  wanted  to  start  the   conversation  about  adjusting  the                                                               
constitutional  spending cap.  She described  the genesis  of the                                                               
bill and  continued the introduction,  speaking to  the following                                                               
sponsor statement:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     SB  57 "The  Alaska  Sunset Commission  Act" will  help                                                                    
     ensure  transparency,  efficiency,  cost-effectiveness,                                                                    
     statutory  alignment, and  constitutional alignment  in                                                                    
     the   operation  of   our  state   government.  SB   57                                                                    
     establishes   the  Alaska   Sunset  Commission   as  an                                                                    
     apolitical, independent,  and objective  entity charged                                                                    
     with reviewing,  via detailed  and robust  audits, each                                                                    
     department  by  division in  the  state  on a  rotating                                                                    
     schedule.  The  Commission  will  make  recommendations                                                                    
     related   to  the   performance   and   costs  to   the                                                                    
     legislature. To prevent a  division from sunsetting and                                                                    
     its  statutory  duties   falling  to  the  department's                                                                    
     office of  the commissioner, the legislature  will need                                                                    
     take up and act on the audit report.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The annual audit reports will  also be available to the                                                                    
     executive branch  for purposes of both  performance and                                                                    
     structural improvements  within departments as  well as                                                                    
     for  the construction  of  the  governor's budget  each                                                                    
     year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The Commission  will be  comprised of  nine individuals                                                                    
     from   the  private   sector  with   financial,  budget                                                                    
     analysis, accounting, operations  management, and other                                                                    
     areas of  expertise who are  appointed by  the governor                                                                    
     and confirmed  by the legislature. The  Commission will                                                                    
     serve without compensation but will  be entitled to per                                                                    
     diem  and travel  expenses  authorized  for boards  and                                                                    
     commissions.  The Commission  may  employ  staff as  it                                                                    
     determines necessary to perform its duties.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Along with  the submission of  the audit report  to the                                                                    
     legislature,   the   Commission    will   provide   any                                                                    
     recommended statutory  changes necessary  to accomplish                                                                    
     the recommendations in the report.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The size and scope of  government can sometimes be hard                                                                    
     to  grasp and  understand, and  too often  unwieldy and                                                                    
     hard  to  control.  Currently,  the  House  and  Senate                                                                    
     Finance members are  asked in a matter of  a few months                                                                    
     to figure out what is going  on in each of the fourteen                                                                    
     departments; essentially their only  window is what the                                                                    
     executive   branch   provides.    With   this   limited                                                                    
     information and in short  order, legislators are tasked                                                                    
     with  making  decisions  each year  involving  spending                                                                    
     billions  of public  dollars.  Access  to an  extensive                                                                    
     audit will  help hold  future governors  accountable to                                                                    
     building   a   responsible   budget   and   will   help                                                                    
     legislators' appropriate public dollars wisely.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The result  will be  more cost-effective  and efficient                                                                    
     departments  that  better   meet  their  statutory  and                                                                    
     constitutional  obligations. This  in turn  will result                                                                    
     in overall improved state  operations which will better                                                                    
     serve Alaskans.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This  is  especially important  as  we  aim for  fiscal                                                                    
     sustainability. Although  oil prices  are high  now, we                                                                    
     all know that  this will not always be  the case. While                                                                    
     government  serves many  essential  functions, we  must                                                                    
     bear in  mind that its  cost should be  proportional to                                                                    
     our  relatively small  population. The  Commission will                                                                    
     help ensure  both: that  the departments  perform their                                                                    
     essential  functions  well and  that  they  do it  cost                                                                    
     effectively.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill 57  is  based upon  the  Texas model,  the                                                                    
     Texas Sunset  Advisory Commission. That  Commission was                                                                    
     established   in   1977    and   is   responsible   for                                                                    
     recommendations  on the  need for,  performance of  and                                                                    
     improvements to agencies under  review each year. Since                                                                    
     its   establishment,   the    Texas   Sunset   Advisory                                                                    
     Commission  has abolished  85 unneeded  state agencies.                                                                    
     Of that  total, 39  agencies were  completely abolished                                                                    
     and 46  had their functions transferred  to existing or                                                                    
     newly created state agencies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill will  not dismantle  Legislative Budget  and                                                                    
     Audit (LB&A)  but note  that LB&A's  work is  solely on                                                                    
     behalf  of the  legislature and  primarily pertains  to                                                                    
     reviewing boards  and commissions within  the executive                                                                    
     branch. SB 57 will  provide both the legislative branch                                                                    
     and the  executive branch with  an important  tool, the                                                                    
     Alaska Sunset Commission,  for reviewing the operations                                                                    
     and cost of the overall state government.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     By  establishing this  Commission, we  can help  ensure                                                                    
     that  our  state  government  is  the  right  size  and                                                                    
     working  well  for  the  people  of  Alaska.  With  the                                                                    
     guidance of  the transparent Commission's  reports, the                                                                    
     governor will  build more appropriate budgets,  and the                                                                    
     legislature  will  have  the information  it  needs  to                                                                    
     route public dollars more  accurately and correctly and                                                                    
     adjust   statutes  as   needed  for   improvements  and                                                                    
     efficiencies. Both  branches will be held  to a greater                                                                    
     degree of accountability. I hope  that you will join me                                                                    
     in  supporting more  responsible government  that stays                                                                    
     on mission  and does not  break the bank  by supporting                                                                    
     Senate Bill 57 the Alaska Sunset Commission.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:54:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COSTELLO   recalled  that  former   Representative  Mike                                                               
Chenault introduced  a similar  bill that  rotated the  audits of                                                               
entire  departments.   She  asked  if  the   composition  of  the                                                               
commission proposed  in SB 57 was  based on the Texas  model, and                                                               
if  she  had  considered  having   university  students  who  are                                                               
majoring  in  the  relevant  areas to  serve  on  the  commission                                                               
instead of  relying on unpaid  professionals. She  voiced support                                                               
for more  audits and relayed  that the  State of Kentucky  had an                                                               
elected state auditor with a  $10 million budget who had complete                                                               
autonomy as to  what is reviewed. She said  that investment found                                                               
efficiencies and the  legislature was able to  make more informed                                                               
decisions about government.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES responded  that  former  Speaker Chenault's  bill                                                               
focused on  performance and whether  or not the  departments were                                                               
meeting the established  statutory goals and missions.  SB 57 was                                                               
more  comprehensive. It  seeks to  look at  not only  meeting the                                                               
statutory requirements but  also the process and how  it might be                                                               
streamlined.  To   the  question   about  not   compensating  the                                                               
commission members,  she relayed  that the commission  would rely                                                               
on  staff   who  would  be  compensated.   She  deferred  further                                                               
explanation to Mr. Whitt.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:57:35 PM                                                                                                                    
BUDDY  WHITT,   Staff,  Senator  Shelley  Hughes,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska, explained  that the  composition of                                                               
the  Texas  Sunset  Commission  was  entirely  state  legislators                                                               
whereas the sponsor  wanted this commission to  be as nonpartisan                                                               
as  possible. He  also noted  that provisions  of former  Speaker                                                               
Chenault's  bill  (House   Bill  30  that  passed   in  the  28th                                                               
legislature)  will sunset  next  year so  Legislative Budget  and                                                               
Audit will no longer perform those  duties. SB 57 proposes a more                                                               
comprehensive approach  to the audits generally  and specifically                                                               
for the different agencies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:58:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  highlighted that SB  57 proposes to  have subject                                                               
matter  professionals  serve  on  the  commission  who  would  be                                                               
appointed by the  governor and confirmed by  the legislature. The                                                               
commission  would have  paid  staff to  perform  the duties.  She                                                               
acknowledged  that  the  proposed  rotating  schedule  of  audits                                                               
should  be  tightened,  which  would  require  hiring  additional                                                               
commission  staff.  She  opined  that  a  five-year  rotation  of                                                               
department audits was the sweet spot.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  asked if she  had considered having  a standing                                                               
committee serve  as the  commission so  multiple audits  could be                                                               
done at the same time.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES replied  that was a possibility but  it would make                                                               
the commission partisan  and that was contrary  to her intention.                                                               
She suggested that Mr. Whitt  could speak further about the Texas                                                               
commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COSTELLO asked  the chair  if the  information could  be                                                               
sent to his office and then distributed to the members.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER asked  Mr. Whitt  to  send the  information to  his                                                               
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT  agreed to  provide  an  overview  of what  the  Texas                                                               
commission had  done since  it was instituted  in 1977.  He noted                                                               
that there wasn't  time to go through the  sectional analysis and                                                               
advised the members to focus on  Section 9 when they reviewed the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER held SB 57 in committee.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
letter of support april 17.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 188
SB 167 Memo OPPOSE.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 167
SB 167 Memo OPPOSE.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 167
SB 188 - Amendment #1 Explanation_.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 188
22.04.19 GOV Infrastructure Bill Sen STA.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
2022 04 04 GOA Infrastructure Bill Summary.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 188Letter of Support SB 188 Criminal Procedure-Change of Name.pdf SSTA 4/19/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 188